REACTION: 9021OMG Episode 29

Monday’s “9021OMG” covered the season 2 episode “Anaconda.”

In the episode, the gang is pulled into an after-hours pokers game at the beach club, which in turn leads to them getting pulled into a burglary scandal. Dylan (Luke Perry) becomes a suspect, setting up much of the tension. In a somewhat lighter storyline, Brenda (Shannen Doherty) deals with a terrible sunburn. I’ve been there… quite recently.

The hour was written by Jonathan Roberts and directed by Dan Attias, who happened to be on last week’s “Beverly Hills 90210 Show” podcast to discuss the season 3 finale. (His lone episode of “The O.C.” was also the subject of last week’s “Welcome to the OC, Bitches.”) As for Roberts, this was the first of five episodes he wrote for the series.

Notably, Kelly isn’t in this installment. So what did Jennie Garth (Kelly) and Tori Spelling (Donna) have to say about that? Read on…

9021OMG Episode 29, “A Dramatic Turn”

• There was no description on iHeart for this edition like there usually is, so I really had no idea what to expect going in. They began with Jennie introducing herself and then telling the other “ladies” to do so as well. Tori called themselves “the hostesses with the mostesses.” Jennie: “Another week of season 2 of ‘Beverly Hills, 90210.’ That’s what we’re here for, right?” Tori: “Loving the beach club episodes. Makes me feel ready for summer.”

• Jennie brought up Tori’s recent birthday and their age difference. Jennie: “Now you’re the big 4-8.” Tori: “I gotta tell you, 48 feels a lot worse than 47.” They talked about backhanded compliments (“You look good for your age”) and Sisanie shared her age… 37. Tori: “Jen, do you remember 37?” Sisanie is “excited” for her 40s. Jennie: “You should be.” Tori: “Don’t be.” They “switched roles” there with Jennie being the “optimist” and Tori the “Debbie Downer.”

• Jennie gave the episode name and said she didn’t understand why it’s called “Anaconda,” clearly not realizing it’s a reference to poker. Tori gave a synopsis, but for once I wasn’t sure where it was from. Tori said every time she hears “Anaconda,” even back when they filmed the episode, she wants to sing the song. Except “Baby Got Back” came out in 1992 and this episode was shot in 1991 so… yeah. Naturally, Jennie wrongly credited Darren Star as one of the episode’s writers, and noted Jonathan Roberts is “a new name for us” and surmised he must be a “new writer for season 2.” Tori: “Do you remember that writer?” Jennie: “I don’t.” Tori: “Sad to say, I don’t know Jonathan Roberts. I wonder if this was his one-hit wonder with us.” It wasn’t, as I noted above. Jennie: “We should really look into those details because we go on a radio program and talk about them.” YA THINK?! Tori’s only comment in response was that this isn’t a radio show but feels like one. 

• Tori: “iHeart, we want to do a radio show next.” Sisanie then said they should fill in for her while she’s on maternity leave: “How fun would that be?!” Jennie wanted to know the time length before committing. Tori: “We should do it for a day. See if anyone notices.”

  • I have been wondering if Superfan Sisanie will be taking maternity leave from the podcast and, if so, if anyone will replace her.

• Jennie: “Why was this episode called ‘Anaconda’, though? Does anyone have any insight on that?” Tori: “Yes… I know there’s a story. I don’t have it, but I know there’s a story.” Sisanie then explained how it’s a type of poker game, clearly reading from something. Jennie: “Interesting. So okay, that’s where the title of the show — I love how we’re just learning about it all together in real time.” Sisanie: “Just for people that are listening, we have like 10 pages of prep. We’re really prepared when we come into this podcast. We just didn’t know the ‘Anaconda.’” Jennie: “Don’t know the writer, don’t know why it’s called ‘Anaconda.’ What else, so far?” Tori: “But I like that we’re discovering because we’re rediscovering the show together so why not discover the details of the show together? It’s as if we’re just watching as fans.” Jennie: “Literally we’ve just watched the show and then we come together and we talk about it and we go, ‘What do you remember, what don't you remember?’ and I love that about this podcast.” Tori: “We don’t censor ourselves.” Jennie: “We don’t censor ourselves and we don’t pretend to be experts. We only can give you our version of the story, our memories from it.”

• Sisanie: “So why weren’t you in this episode?” Jennie: “That is another thing I don’t know.” Tori: “I didn’t even know that one. I really thought she was in all episodes produced.” Jennie said she “even asked” her manager, “Mr. Showbiz,” who has been with her throughout her entire career, and he wrongly thought she was all in episodes too. Jennie: “But that doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy watching it. I honestly liked watching it without me in it… I relaxed and I wasn’t nervous for when I was going to be on or say or do. I wasn’t so caught up in my own head about it. I was able to submerse myself in the story and I really enjoyed watching Brenda and Donna’s scenes. I thought they were great. I was like, ‘Psht, they don’t need Kelly in there. You guys are so good together.’”

• Jennie went on to praise Tori’s work in the episode and said she wanted to be “friends with you and hang out on the beach with you.” Tori joked that maybe Jennie saw this episode back then and that’s why she wanted to be friends with Tori. Tori wondered if Jennie was ill and if it was one of the times she lost her voice and was therefore unable to be in the episode, but Jennie said her father was sick around this time “and this feels like one of those times I might’ve made an emergency flee to be with him.” Tori: “I bet we could look up the script somewhere online, someone has it, and put the pieces together, because I bet you’re right. I bet you were in it and they had to take you out because there was an emergency. If anyone knows the answer to it out there, please let us know. Any fact-seekers about ‘90210.’”

  • Gee, I wonder who they could reach out to. Oh, I don’t know, maybe executive producer Charles Rosin, who has every script for every episode he produced — meaning, every episode for seasons 1-5.

  • Also, Tori, I think you’re looking for a “fact-checker.” You would be the “fact-seeker” in this situation.

• Sisanie agreed it was a good episode, no offense to Jennie. They made off-color jokes / puns about poker that I won’t repeat. Sisanie thought “Brian was extra-cute in this episode.” Jennie agreed, saying his facial expressions during the poker game remind her of “him now.” She added, “This must be where they originated from.“ Tori: “Except he was a lot shorter and had a higher voice. But it’s him now. And a different hairline.” They said Brian has “great hair” now and it “settled in.” Tori: “He grew into everything. That came out wrong.”

• Jennie thought the poker stuff was “fun” and couldn’t believe Brandon was sneaking into the beach club. Tori said it was the “second time he succumbed to peer pressure.” Jennie said Steve is “convincing” and “pretty fun” and makes you want to “join in on the shenanigans.” Sisanie called it “so relatable” because “there’s always that friend who’s the instigator.” Tori: “Oh gosh. I had one of those in high school. And I had one of those on set.” Jennie: “And it wasn’t me.” Superfan Sisanie: “Wait, who was it?” Shannen, duh. Tori: “Because she was cool and was like always going out and doing things and I was like, ‘She’s so cool, I want to hang out with her,’ so I would end up doing things… not bad… just like peer pressure.” She pointed out that she was a teen still living at home with a curfew when the show started and Shannen would invite her out on a Friday night and she wouldn’t want to tell her she had a curfew. Sisanie: “You guys are like major TV stars on like one of the biggest shows on the planet and you have a curfew. It’s so relatable.”

  • Yeah, Sis. Being a major TV star on one of the biggest shows on the planet is TOTALLY relatable.

• Jennie noted how they would be parented at home but go to work and be “treated like adults” with “no guardianship.” She said how they had to “do everything on our own” and make key decisions and learn as they go. Tori said it would’ve been “nice to have” someone guiding them and there to confide in. Tori said she took the GED so she wouldn’t have to have a teacher on set and she could “fit in with everyone else.” But she also had a deal with her mom where she had to go to her actual school on her off days. Tori: “High-class problems.” Ya think?

• Sisanie asked if they felt like they missed out on traditional high school experiences. Jennie said Tori did experience some of it and Tori confirmed she did, but she was eager to “transition” and “immerse” herself in the “Beverly Hills, 90210” world. Jennie said she stayed in high school through her sophomore year, got her GED, and “then didn’t ever look back… And look at me now!” She then added, “Stay in school kids.” Sisanie next wanted to know if it was “weird” that they then got to “act it out” — “it” being aspects of high school. Jennie called it “fun.” Tori said she felt more that way with the college years when she’d get calls from friends who were off at college parties, but she felt like she was getting a college experience with the episodes they were doing. She said they’d talk about that more when they get to those seasons. Yeah, okay.

• Getting back to the episode after this tangent, Jennie said she “loved” the b-roll that opened the episode and it “sucked” her in. She said if she was living in Uruguay or somewhere, she would think it was so cool to see Beverly Hills. She said how stock footage and establishing shots were a key part of the show. Sisanie said she lived in Orange County and was still sucked in. Tori: “Come on down. See how [the] two percent live.” Jennie speculated there was a “whole second unit” that would go out and shoot that footage: “I would want to be on that crew. There’s no actors, just the beautiful scenery and the real people.”

• Jennie brought up how this episode “taps into Dylan’s emotional trauma and pain” and “dove into the dark parts of his psyche,” calling it a “pivotal moment for his character in the trajectory of the importance of Dylan McKay on the show. Because he wasn’t just Brenda’s boyfriend, he wasn’t just, you know, this guy that surfs. He has all these layers and we sort of start to unpack all of that.” Superfan Sisanie: “This whole season’s more dramatic already, I’m realizing. It’s not that ‘after school special’ type of vibe that season 1 was.” Jennie: “You’re starting to really get invested in each individual character and their specific journey and that’s what’s so cool.” She said seeing Brenda and Donna bond at the beach is an example, because she was able to learn more and “relate more to Donna.” She also thought Brenda looked “super cute” in this episode. Jennie: “You start to really want to be with these characters, you start to want to hang out with these characters and like help them with their problems and be there for it all.” 

• Tori: “And going into the second season, I think they were starting to get to know us as actors more and that was helping them start to guide the characters.” Superfan Sisanie wanted to know what she meant by that. Tori repeated what she’s already said multiple times on the podcast — they would wonder if there were hidden cameras because so much of Tori ended up in Donna. Jennie agreed, saying she used to feel like they (the producers / writers) were “taking notes on the animals in the enclosures.”

• Tori said they did learn on the show that if you’re wearing a body mic and you don’t want someone listening to hear what you’re saying, you just tap the mic as you talk. Jennie seemed to feel badly now, realizing it probably hurt the sound guys’ ears. Tori speculated the producers were “banking” on them saying “some really juicy stuff” while wearing a mic. Tori said when she did the tapping trick on another set, the person thought she was crazy. Jennie wondered what the “youngsters” do today to keep conversations private while wearing mics.

• Sisanie didn’t understand why they couldn’t just turn the the mics off and Jennie explained how it was wrapped all around your body and a hassle to get to… not to mention the awkwardness of the sound guys putting the mics on them. Jennie said she would wonder, “Is he really changing my batteries or is he just copping a feel right now?” Tori: “It’s pretty invasive.” Sisanie was shocked, since mics are a lot easier to put on today. Tori: “I wonder if we have PTSD from that.” Jennie: “From being fondled?” Sisanie: “Do you enjoy foreplay? Does it bring back memories?” Jennie doesn’t like it, apparently, and I guess Tori doesn’t either, as she said, “Jen, this explains so much about my life.” 

  • I feel like they mention having PTSD from something like every other week.

• After a break, Tori again sang “Baby Got Back.” Jennie laughed over the name “Ross Weinerblatt.” She also marveled over the TV / technology. She then jumped ahead to favorite lines — the guy saying to Brandon, “Don’t be such a squeef.” But she and Tori asked what “squeef” means. Sisanie thought she heard “squeak,” which Jennie didn’t think made sense either. She said the girls at the party “looked so stinkin’ cute.” Tori “loved those outfits.” Jennie couldn’t believe they were smoking cigars. Tori said she “felt like such a stud” but probably wanted to throw up after. Jennie said she didn’t see cigar-smoking as something “cool,” but she loved the whole poker thing and the look overall.

• Sisanie thought it was a “very interesting theme” and wondered if the writers came up with it or if Aaron wanted to do it. Tori: “I wonder. My dad was really good friends with the Rat Pack.” She speculated maybe he wanted to do an homage. Jennie said how much she enjoyed seeing James Pickens Jr. and Tori pointed out how he’s known today for “Grey’s Anatomy.” Tori: “We have crossover audiences, right?” Jennie called him “so great” and Tori called him “so cool.” Jennie: “To be quite honest, the show was not that diverse in the ‘90s. That wasn’t something they really focused on. It was a once-in-a-while thing they said, ‘Oh, we should just do…’ I love seeing the diversity and feeling that — just the difference of having him there and I thought he added a lot to our show.” Jennie also thought he had a mullet in this episode.

  • Related: “The Lack of Racial Diversity in the Teen Dramas:

• Sisanie said James was in 10 episodes of the show. Tori wanted to know what happened after that. Superfan Sisanie asked, “Is that when ‘Grey’s Anatomy’ start[ed]? Is that when he went there?” (For the record, “Grey’s” started in 2005, nearly five years after “Beverly Hills, 90210” ended. Good lord.) Tori: “Didn’t we come back to the beach club? Or this was it after this season?” Jennie: “I feel like it was just one season. Woah. We don’t know anything. Like we said, we’re gonna learn right along with you guys while we’re watching this. The thing about this is, if you’re a superfan of the show, you’ve watched every episode and you know what’s happened and what’s going to happen. We literally don’t know what’s going to happen next week.” Tori: “This is true. Just because we acted in it and lived it, don’t think we remember it.”

• Jennie said there was a “great song” in the episode that was “one of those weird, foreshadowing ‘90210’ moments.” She was referring to “What I Like About You” playing in the Brenda-Donna scene. Tori: “That’s so cool. Those things keep happening.” Jennie: “I love it. Keep ‘em coming.”

  • Um, that’s what we call a “coincidence” — not “foreshadowing.” Just like with the Brenda / Shannen cancer stuff.

• Jennie then said, “This is totally off-topic, but I’ll just tell you” — what else is new? — and she proceeded to share how her daughter’s school picked a new mascot to replace their old politically-incorrect mascot and now it’s owls. But the night before it was picked, Jennie had a dream about an owl. Then “last night,” they were watching “The Queen’s Gambit” and there was an owl thing in that. Jennie: “I don’t even know why I’m telling you this.” But her point, apparently, was to “notice the signs of the universe.” Tori called it “synchronicity,” but argued there’s also something “deeper” going on with the owl symbolizing something and Jennie needed to figure out what. Tori: “And she is a hoot! But I feel like it means something.” Jennie: “I don’t know, people, but maybe it’ll be revealed on the next episode.”

• After another break, they moved on to fashion “because we love to talk about fashion on the show,” as Jennie said. She was “really digging Steve’s outfits,” calling them “fun and so perfectly Steve Sanders.” Tori said they have to ask Ian if “he has any of those tank tops and if he would be willing to wear them one day.” 

  • Once again, talk of talking to Ian about the show… and then nothing comes of it.

• Tori loved her outfit in the poker game, saying it was one of her “favorites” of the whole series because she loves ‘20s looks. Sisanie thought it was funny that Brenda and Donna were the “babes” at the poker game and how disappointed Brandon was. She also liked Donna’s half-up, half-down hairstyle. Tori said it looked like a “real-life hairdo” and wondered if they just didn’t do her hair that day. Jennie argued that it made Donna “relatable” and said she and Brenda looked “normal.”

• As for lines, Sisanie liked David saying, “Hey, little lady, can I buy you a snack?” Tori liked Donna saying, “I had a cigar. I threw up.” Jennie reiterated her favorite line from earlier and vowed to “call somebody a ‘squeef’ today and see how it goes.” At 42 minutes in, Jennie said, “And that’s it, you guys. We didn’t have a lot to say about this episode. I feel like we kind of like didn’t really go too deep but that’s okay because we have some great questions, I think, from listeners, don’t we, Sis?” 

• The first fan question from Amaya: “Why do you all keep picking and / or shading the boys? This other week it was about Jason and his height and everything and then Tori was sarcastic about how Jason loves to rehash ‘90210’ stuff. What did they do to you?” Jennie and Tori seemed kinda shocked, but the question wasn’t off-base. Tori: “Here’s what you guys need to understand: These are like our brothers and sisters. Anything we say here we would say right to their face and probably do. You hear how Jen and I talk, that’s how we all talk to each other. We’re in contact still and we’re all still friends. They didn’t do anything to us. We love them. It’s our family. This is how you talk about your best friends and family, right?”

• Jennie said she understood what the fan was saying, but “these are our recollections, these are our memories, this was our experience. It was probably much different than their experience, the guys’ experience, or anyone else’s experience, but we can tell our side of the story. I think that so often we fall into the trap of trying to tell a story that everybody’s going to digest well, that it’s going to be politically correct to say or people are gonna still like us even when we say it. But there are some parts of our experience that weren’t great and that’s okay and it’s okay for us to talk about it now too and it’s okay for other people to share their experiences, but when you ask ‘what did they do to you,’ it’s not necessarily what they did to us but what we as young people did to ourselves, like our interpretation of what was happening at the time.”

• Jennie went on to stress how they were “so young” and left on their “own” and so much happened that “taught us and shaped us… and not all of it was great.” She added, “Tori and I do try to tell the truth but at the same time not let people in too far to see the sordid parts because we want everybody to love the characters and love the show, but we also have our own experiences, so sometimes that stuff comes out of us when we’re joking and making fun, but I don’t think that it’s about what they did to us.”

• Tori then noted that during the first season of the rewatch she would point out how cute Jason was and played off the comments about his height as just referencing things in the script. Sisanie: “I don’t think you have to defend yourselves.” Tori: “I don’t feel like we pick on them. I don’t!” Sisanie: “I haven’t gotten that vibe either.” Tori: “These are our high school friends, like we.”

  • Uh, Sis, obviously you think they have to defend themselves or at least wanted them to… that’s why you chose to ask THIS question and put them on the spot to defend themselves out of all the submissions you received. You could’ve asked literally any other question.

• Jennie again stressed they were “young girls” and “very, very impressionable.” She added, “A lot of what happened on that set shaped us in all directions.” As an example, she said “being in that environment” “brought out a super-competitive part in me” and made her feel judged by her looks. Jennie: “It gave us young girls a lot of mixed messages… If I’m honest, it kind of taught me to be threatened by other girls, to be threatened by other women, to be more competitive, because I wanted our co-stars’ approval or attention and it messed with me on different levels and not until later in life did I kind of think it was never about the other girls and why did I ever make the other girls the enemy in my mind?... I think Tori and I are always working [out] those messages as we grow older and try to be better people and figure it all out.”

  • These comments really had nothing to do with the fan’s question. But is this Jennie admitting to some of the unflattering behavior she allegedly showed toward female co-stars / guest stars?

• The next question from a fan named Stephanie was about whether Jennie “ever got tired of such terrible things happening to your character and asked for something happier or easier to play in those 10 seasons?” Jennie: “I get asked this question a lot because a lot of bad things happened to Kelly. I don’t know why. They just loved to do bad things to her. I don’t know why they did, but I did my best with it when they would give me a storyline that was dramatic on the heel of another storyline that was dramatic. I got tired of the heaviness of it sometimes, for sure.”

  • Apparently Jennie doesn’t remember that she said in “The Final Goodbye” that she asked for those heavier storylines.

• Jennie said that not only did she do those dramatic storylines, but she “developed into a very dramatic person.” Jennie: “Tori and I always joke — she’s Pollyanna and I’m opposite whatever Pollyanna is.” Sisanie was surprised by Jennie’s comments, prompting Jennie to say the storylines “definitely shaded my life experience. Not only did I have so many traumatic experiences on camera — those sink in, those sink into your bones, you know, and your experiences — but I also had a lot of things in my real life. We all have a lot of trauma and ups and downs in our lives, but combining the two I think is a lot for one lady. So I definitely think it’s made me more of a serious person.” 

• Jennie said she calls herself a “blue person” whereas Tori would be a “yellow person,” someone who is usually on the “lighter, happier, and sunnier side of the spectrum.” Jennie said she herself has “always struggled with depression” and her dad would say, “Are you feeling blue?” when she was a kid and she would be. She went on to say how experiences “accumulate and make you who you are,” but now she loves her “blueness and embrace[s] it and it’s something that I’ve learned to live with and that I love about myself.” She said she’d been told she’s “too emotional” and “maybe as a younger person I was more dramatic and more emotional because that’s usually what happens, but I remember saying, ‘I’m not emotional. I’m emotion-full.’ And I’m okay with that. Maybe I got it from Kelly.”

• Sisanie expressed frustration with someone putting those thoughts in Jennie’s head when she was younger. She then said she did something called The Landmark Forum and Jennie said she did too… and a Google search tells me this is a personal development program that critics have likened to a cult and a scheme. But they seemed to be in favor of it so... yeah. Somehow this turned into a discussion on the innocence of kids and then Jennie said she’s wondered what she would be like if she hadn’t been “colored by all the messages out there.” Tori: “It’s part of your journey, so you wouldn’t be you if it didn’t happen.”

• Sisanie then asked Tori if she feels she’s “carried some of Donna’s traits” into her “real life.” Tori said she’s “carried being cast as Donna, as the producer’s daughter.” Tori said she “didn’t show any emotions” while they were younger because she wanted to be “perfect” and dispel any “preconceived notions.” As a result, now she doesn’t “have a voice to be strong or brave or the confident woman I want to be because I’m spending so much time focusing on being just so sweet and wanting everyone to like me. So yeah, I wish that was different too.” Jennie: “Everyone has their own thing. It’s so interesting when you look at people.” Sisanie likened it to planning her wedding and being concerned about what other people would think. Okay, Sis.

• Jennie said that in getting older, she’s realized what’s “honoring yourself” versus being “selfish” and “giving yourself as much love and acceptance as you do to other people.” Sisanie: “Well, I just met you guys not too long ago and I think you’re both lovely and I don’t get any negative vibes from either one of you, so you’re doing something right.”

• Jennie: “So what is our next episode? Those were great questions, you guys, by the way, keep them coming because obviously we’re not afraid to talk about anything. If anything I tend to talk about stuff too much, about the real deal, but keep them coming because I love ‘em.” Sisanie gave the episode title for next week, “Play It Again, David,” and Tori was apparently showing intrigue via her eyebrows, not that we could see. Jennie: “I wonder what David’s going to play.” Tori: “I have no idea.” Little do they know (clearly), but it really has nothing to do with David and Donna.

  • Also, Jennie, you’re “not afraid to talk about anything”? You literally just said minutes prior, “Tori and I do try to tell the truth but at the same time not let people in too far to see the sordid parts because we want everybody to love the characters and love the show.” You can’t have it both ways.

Well, this was a journey, as most of the “9021OMG” podcasts are. Look at where we ended up — could you trace a through-line from beginning to end? It would be like a maze. But tangents aside, let’s address my two biggest gripes from today’s installment.

First off, they are making excuses for not knowing certain things. If they really are so prepared before coming into the podcast and have 10 pages of notes, you’d think they would know relevant background information like whether this writer only wrote one episode and what the episode’s title means. You can be rewatching the show as fans, but still be well-researched to provide a well-rounded podcast experience instead of having open-ended questions and mysteries that make you seem ignorant and even stupid and lazy.

If I was doing a rewatch podcast or a podcast about a show I’m seeing for the first time, yes, I’d watch the episode and then, yes, I’d record myself discussing it. But I would also do research to make sure I know the basics. And if I didn’t know something, especially something kind of critical, and if I had the connections Jennie and Tori do, I would put in the effort to get the answers ahead of time. How can you, as Jennie, see that you are not in the episode, not remember why, and not do a little digging to solve the mystery? It’s just mind-boggling to me.

Do I expect them to remember the ins and outs of Henry’s storyline? No. Do I expect them to remember there were two seasons at the beach club? Yes. The excuse that superfans remember everything because they’ve rewatched the show and they haven’t just doesn’t hold up for me. They can be rewatching now and re(learning) things, but they can also bring a basic level of knowledge to the table. If they don’t have that basic level of knowledge, they should be doing something to get it. (And they have 10 pages of notes… yet still wrongly credit Darren Star as the episode’s writer almost every time.)

Second, Jennie totally missed the mark to me in her response to the fan question about “what they did to you.” If I’m understanding correctly (and Amaya can correct me if I’m not), no one was trying to deny Jennie and Tori their own experiences about what happened during the show or change their truth or question it or even suggest the guys did something to them back then. The fan was inquiring not about stories Tori and Jennie have shared about working on the show but about the repeated digs about Jason’s height, Ian’s personality, etc., the discussions about Jason’s love life, etc. Their comments have had a tone and an edge to them and have been mocking at times and they have given the impression that all is not well between them right now beyond just some friendly banter. It has nothing to do with anything Jennie and Tori have said about their experiences back in the day and it has nothing to do with their memories and invalidating those.

That said, if you are concerned about the picture you’re painting and whether you’re able to be truthful to your experiences while not being “sordid,” perhaps you shouldn’t be doing a podcast about the show and your experiences in the first place.

All of this just really annoyed me. Oh well. Just a typical Monday with Jennie and Tori, right?

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