Personally I still don’t see how Jennie handled the Vanessa stuff was wrong maybe in a sense but she never said Vanessa was lying. She never said she didn’t say it. Tori maybe but Jennie thought what she said was good advice and never denied Vanessa or dismissed her from what I read. Now they maybe should’ve dialed back how passionate they were. Tori was the one so passionate really and denying on Jennie behalf but Jennie I think kept it midly calm and just said she didn’t remember and thought the advice actually wasn’t bad. About comparing the podcast. It’s fair I guess but in some way it isn’t fair because if the cat the women have different podcast managed by different people and they all have different personalities. That said you know I feel that IHeartradio needs to get a better hold of their product and really organize it better and have a meeting with Tori and Jennie about how they plan to move forward with that. They haven’t so maybe they like this structure. I mean most of the comments are positive actually so as far as production knows it’s going well. We all know that Jennie and Tori don’t read the comments. Most podcasters with a production team don’t because their is so many and they have other things to do so the producers and assistants most likely read it. It’s like fan mail celebrities don’t read those other so I’m sure Tori and Jennie are aware of the negative comments to an extent but their producers haven’t had a meeting to address a change so they probably assume it’s going well which I guess it is. 5 stars on Apple Podcast.
I agree with you that Welcome to the OC Bitches is better than 9021omg, but there's still a few things that bother me. I like having guests on , but I think most of the eps should be just Melinda and Rachel discussing the podcast, and if they do have a guest, I would personally prefer if it was recorded and added as a separate segment, after Rachel & Melinda first discussed the ep by themselves. I also listen to Zack to the future (a Saved by the Bell rewatch podcast with the actor who played Zack + a cohost who was a huge fan), and that's usually how they do it. Most of the eps (about 75-80%), it's just the two of them, and when they do have a guest on, it's in a separate segment at the end. I feel like so far, on Welcome to the OC, Bitches, when they do have a guest on (I think 6/7 eps so far), they end up speaking with the guest about the OC in general/the guest's life/the TV industry for 80% of the episode, and then they only very briefly discuss the ep. I don't remember exactly which one, I think it might have been the ep were Tate Donovan was on, but the discussion about the ep itself was so limited that unless you looked at the title of the ep, you wouldn't know which ep they were actually discussing.
Regarding the storyline with Ryan and Gabrielle, I think you could still do it nowadays, but you would maybe need to add a line in the dialogue somewhere to mention that them having sex is illegal in California (age of consent is 18 and Ryan was not 18 yet).
Also I agree with Deb, rewatching the OC as an adult, I totally get Julie and so far in the series, support her and totally see her point!
I also really felt it when Marissa told Ryan "You're too late" and when the rolled over after having sex with Luke. I know a lot of people complain about Mischa's acting in The OC, but I think she really delivered in this ep!
It's going to sound crazy but I had never heard about the Bling Ring/Rachel beig a victim of theft before listening to this ep and reading your recap! I was travelling abroad for 2 years in 2011-2012 and was not keeping up wth the news, so that's probably right. I read about it and it's insaneeee! I don't understand why so many celebrities had unlocked doors/keys under the rug?! I'm truly amazed by how long they were able to keep this up/how many houses they were able to rob before getting caught.
Regarding the Mischa issues, I'm kind of torn. I thought it was weird for Danny to say her comments were “confusing” and thought she was “talking in circles.”... her comments were not confusing and pretty straightforward. The part were Mischa said Rachel & Melinda were added “last minute as, after the first season, a series regular” were indeed false, as they were added as series regular at the end of the "summer season" (i.e. first 7 or 8 eps of S1). For that part, I'm wondering if Mischa was either misquoted, or if she misspoke by saying "Season 1" instead of "Summer season" or "summer prequel" or something like that. I don't think that she really thinks that Summer & Julie were only added as series regular in S2.
I thought Rachel was super defensive and a few of her comments were weird. Like even if that part really is "misinformation", it doesn't mean that the part about Mischa experiencing bullying from men on the set is also misinformation, as she seemed to imply by saying that it made "the interview" seem like misinformation. And then she added "would actually like to talk to her and find out what her experience was from her perspective because I saw things a little differently, I guess." - I'm not sure if she is referring to the part about when Rachel & Melinda were added as series regular or if she is talking about the alleged bullying experienced by Mischa on set, but if it's the latter (that's my impression), if what she mean is that she experienced no bullying, then that doesn't negate the possibility that Mischa experienced some. It was also weird how Rachel said it was "mixed messages" because Mischa has also said she loved the show. How? It's entirely possible that she did experience bullying/other negative experiences on set, but loved the show for its storylines, characters, perspectives, etc. Idk it just sounded off to me. I preferred the way Melinda answered to the whole thing.
I always got the impression that Tate was not super nice to Mischa, so maybe she is referring to him. I remember years ago reading an interview with Tate and he was complaining about Mischa (I think he either explicitly named her, or very implicitly) saying she didn't want to be "typecast" and wanted to still be able to keep her movie career. And Tate was saying she wasn't even a movie actor, and the way he was speaking about her was just super demeaning and rude. So it's possible that he was also like that on set with her. And also, more recents comments (from "anonymous source") came out after Misha's allegation, saying she was a "nightmare" to work with and had an annoying momager on set... I can't comment about the "nightmare" allegations, but duh, she was a literal child (i.e. under 18) when she was hired to play Marissa, so it's kinda predictable that she will have a parent/other adult on set with her, and these will often meddle/hover, because they want the child to be treated well. If you don't want to deal with a momager, don't hire a child to play the Marissa, and instead hire someone in their early 20s like Rachel, Adam and Ben were.
And also, as Rachel and Melinda mentioned, the early 2000s were super hard on young female stars, with all of the media harassment, Perez Hilton bullying, etc. So my personal take is that Mischa probably had a lot to deal with outside of the set, and that maybe there was a little bit of bullying/rudeness by some men on set, and with everything in her life already being hard, it probably hit her even harder than it would usually have.
Personally I still don’t see how Jennie handled the Vanessa stuff was wrong maybe in a sense but she never said Vanessa was lying. She never said she didn’t say it. Tori maybe but Jennie thought what she said was good advice and never denied Vanessa or dismissed her from what I read. Now they maybe should’ve dialed back how passionate they were. Tori was the one so passionate really and denying on Jennie behalf but Jennie I think kept it midly calm and just said she didn’t remember and thought the advice actually wasn’t bad. About comparing the podcast. It’s fair I guess but in some way it isn’t fair because if the cat the women have different podcast managed by different people and they all have different personalities. That said you know I feel that IHeartradio needs to get a better hold of their product and really organize it better and have a meeting with Tori and Jennie about how they plan to move forward with that. They haven’t so maybe they like this structure. I mean most of the comments are positive actually so as far as production knows it’s going well. We all know that Jennie and Tori don’t read the comments. Most podcasters with a production team don’t because their is so many and they have other things to do so the producers and assistants most likely read it. It’s like fan mail celebrities don’t read those other so I’m sure Tori and Jennie are aware of the negative comments to an extent but their producers haven’t had a meeting to address a change so they probably assume it’s going well which I guess it is. 5 stars on Apple Podcast.
I agree with you that Welcome to the OC Bitches is better than 9021omg, but there's still a few things that bother me. I like having guests on , but I think most of the eps should be just Melinda and Rachel discussing the podcast, and if they do have a guest, I would personally prefer if it was recorded and added as a separate segment, after Rachel & Melinda first discussed the ep by themselves. I also listen to Zack to the future (a Saved by the Bell rewatch podcast with the actor who played Zack + a cohost who was a huge fan), and that's usually how they do it. Most of the eps (about 75-80%), it's just the two of them, and when they do have a guest on, it's in a separate segment at the end. I feel like so far, on Welcome to the OC, Bitches, when they do have a guest on (I think 6/7 eps so far), they end up speaking with the guest about the OC in general/the guest's life/the TV industry for 80% of the episode, and then they only very briefly discuss the ep. I don't remember exactly which one, I think it might have been the ep were Tate Donovan was on, but the discussion about the ep itself was so limited that unless you looked at the title of the ep, you wouldn't know which ep they were actually discussing.
Regarding the storyline with Ryan and Gabrielle, I think you could still do it nowadays, but you would maybe need to add a line in the dialogue somewhere to mention that them having sex is illegal in California (age of consent is 18 and Ryan was not 18 yet).
Also I agree with Deb, rewatching the OC as an adult, I totally get Julie and so far in the series, support her and totally see her point!
I also really felt it when Marissa told Ryan "You're too late" and when the rolled over after having sex with Luke. I know a lot of people complain about Mischa's acting in The OC, but I think she really delivered in this ep!
It's going to sound crazy but I had never heard about the Bling Ring/Rachel beig a victim of theft before listening to this ep and reading your recap! I was travelling abroad for 2 years in 2011-2012 and was not keeping up wth the news, so that's probably right. I read about it and it's insaneeee! I don't understand why so many celebrities had unlocked doors/keys under the rug?! I'm truly amazed by how long they were able to keep this up/how many houses they were able to rob before getting caught.
Regarding the Mischa issues, I'm kind of torn. I thought it was weird for Danny to say her comments were “confusing” and thought she was “talking in circles.”... her comments were not confusing and pretty straightforward. The part were Mischa said Rachel & Melinda were added “last minute as, after the first season, a series regular” were indeed false, as they were added as series regular at the end of the "summer season" (i.e. first 7 or 8 eps of S1). For that part, I'm wondering if Mischa was either misquoted, or if she misspoke by saying "Season 1" instead of "Summer season" or "summer prequel" or something like that. I don't think that she really thinks that Summer & Julie were only added as series regular in S2.
I thought Rachel was super defensive and a few of her comments were weird. Like even if that part really is "misinformation", it doesn't mean that the part about Mischa experiencing bullying from men on the set is also misinformation, as she seemed to imply by saying that it made "the interview" seem like misinformation. And then she added "would actually like to talk to her and find out what her experience was from her perspective because I saw things a little differently, I guess." - I'm not sure if she is referring to the part about when Rachel & Melinda were added as series regular or if she is talking about the alleged bullying experienced by Mischa on set, but if it's the latter (that's my impression), if what she mean is that she experienced no bullying, then that doesn't negate the possibility that Mischa experienced some. It was also weird how Rachel said it was "mixed messages" because Mischa has also said she loved the show. How? It's entirely possible that she did experience bullying/other negative experiences on set, but loved the show for its storylines, characters, perspectives, etc. Idk it just sounded off to me. I preferred the way Melinda answered to the whole thing.
I always got the impression that Tate was not super nice to Mischa, so maybe she is referring to him. I remember years ago reading an interview with Tate and he was complaining about Mischa (I think he either explicitly named her, or very implicitly) saying she didn't want to be "typecast" and wanted to still be able to keep her movie career. And Tate was saying she wasn't even a movie actor, and the way he was speaking about her was just super demeaning and rude. So it's possible that he was also like that on set with her. And also, more recents comments (from "anonymous source") came out after Misha's allegation, saying she was a "nightmare" to work with and had an annoying momager on set... I can't comment about the "nightmare" allegations, but duh, she was a literal child (i.e. under 18) when she was hired to play Marissa, so it's kinda predictable that she will have a parent/other adult on set with her, and these will often meddle/hover, because they want the child to be treated well. If you don't want to deal with a momager, don't hire a child to play the Marissa, and instead hire someone in their early 20s like Rachel, Adam and Ben were.
And also, as Rachel and Melinda mentioned, the early 2000s were super hard on young female stars, with all of the media harassment, Perez Hilton bullying, etc. So my personal take is that Mischa probably had a lot to deal with outside of the set, and that maybe there was a little bit of bullying/rudeness by some men on set, and with everything in her life already being hard, it probably hit her even harder than it would usually have.